原帖由 <i>penkyamp</i> 於 2008-8-26 17:46 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=103015&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
系喇. 我都下载咗.声, 韵对应表就喺度, 请睇下啊因为粤语只有咁少呢几十个韵母, 而且只需要转换大概三个声母倒, 其实<span style="font-weight: bold;">只需要一日工夫</span>可以将呢两万字嘅 JYUTPING 转换成 PENKYAMP. 我可以担保只需要咁少时间.Penkyamp... <br>但係我比較忙，保證唔到一日嘅時間。<img smilieid="11" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/mad.gif" border="0"><br>另外，像問問Penkyamp你，你身在外囯多年，你覺得，ung同oong喺英語嘅發音當中，邊個更加接近粵語嘅onk？如果具體到同唔同聲母有唔同嘅效果，最好講明一下，唔該！<br>
原帖由 <i>penkyamp</i> 於 2008-8-26 17:46 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=103015&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
系喇. 我都下载咗.声, 韵对应表就喺度, 请睇下啊因为粤语只有咁少呢几十个韵母, 而且只需要转换大概三个声母倒, 其实只需要一日工夫可以将呢两万字嘅 JYUTPING 转换成 PENKYAMP. 我可以担保只需要咁少时间.Penkyamp... <br>我啱啱先至發現，原來入面有好多生僻字，我哋嘅轉換工作係唔係應該以常用字爲主呢？<br>
原帖由 <i>xiss</i> 於 2008-8-26 18:08 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=103017&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
但係我比較忙，保證唔到一日嘅時間。另外，像問問Penkyamp你，你身在外囯多年，你覺得，ung同oong喺英語嘅發音當中，邊個更加接近粵語嘅onk？如果具體到同唔同聲母有唔同嘅效果，最好講明一下，唔該！ ... <br><br>首先, 北美人士好少会自然将 FUNG, CHUNG 呢啲粤姓读成 "ONK"<br>因为英文入边 " FLUNG, CLUNG" 呢啲词系常见嘅. 类似 "ONK" 嘅读音只有北美人学德文嗰阵, 照足德文读, 先会将 WELTANSHAUUNG 之类嘅结尾读成 ONK 类似.<br>所以, 北美人一般读成 FLUNG, CLUNG 嘅结尾.<br><br>因为英文系日耳曼语言, 日耳曼语有"短阔长窄"嘅, 同广东话相反嘅音位规律. 德文 WELTANSHAUUNG 嘅结尾用嘅就系"短阔"嘅 U, 当然比"长窄"嘅 U, 就系一般拼成 OO, OONG 嘅, 要阔. <br>当然, 既然 WELTANSHAUUNG 系"短阔", 就同广东话嘅 ONK 比较相似喇. 因为广东话嘅系"短窄", 但系系窄 O 之窄, 唔系窄 U 之窄. 日耳曼语系系 "阔 U 之阔, 非阔 O 之阔". 两者半路相逢喇.<br><br>北美人一般唔会将 CHUNG, FUNG 发成长窄嘅 CHOONG, FOONG, 除非好做作嘅人. 佢哋会发成"短阔"嘅, WELTANSHAUUNG 嘅结尾, 同广东话 ONK 自然相似. 当然, 最常见嘅重系发成 CLUNG, FLUNG 嘅结尾. 呢啲先系英文本身嘅词汇具有嘅韵类. <br><br>
[ 本帖最後由 penkyamp 於 2008-8-27 07:20 編輯 ]
原帖由 <i>xiss</i> 於 2008-8-26 18:20 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=103020&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
我啱啱先至發現，原來入面有好多生僻字，我哋嘅轉換工作係唔係應該以常用字爲主呢？ <br><br>我会先机械性转换, 囉我个 JYUTPING----PENKYAMP 对照表, 用 WORD 上边嘅 "REPLACE" 技能, 转嗮佢, 唔理生僻定常用.<br><br>而且一定要讲先后次序. 比如讲, 短元音嘅所有 AU, AI, ANG 等要先换成 AW, AY, ANK<br>然后先可以开始长元音嘅 AAU, AAI, AANG 换成 AU, AI, ANG, 唔系会乱嗮大龙. 你话系咪<br><br>重有, EU 要先换成 EAU 先<br>然后先开始 YU 到 EU 嘅转换, 你话系咪?<br><br>另外, 你明唔明白我点解将上页嘅"对照表"入边嘅对应改成<font style="font-weight: bold; color: DarkRed;" size="4">深红</font>同<font style="font-weight: bold; color: Green;" size="4">深绿</font>两种颜色?<br><br><br>我已经为两个叫做 JYUTPING 嘅文件做咗COPY, COPY版改名叫 PENKYAMP1, PENKYAMP2<br>叫JYUTPING嘅两个文件完全唔变, 叫底件, 改只改叫 PENKYAMP 嘅 COPY.<br><br><br>因为一个韵母嘅转换, 有是电脑都要运转成几分钟嘅, 所以我必须揾张纸仔记住, 目前换咗几个韵. <br>我估你猜得出了, 先换黑, 再换绿, 深红完全唔使换.<br>
[ 本帖最後由 penkyamp 於 2008-8-27 09:16 編輯 ]
事实上, 比上边要讲嘅要复杂好多<br>
要注意呢几个字有互存性: <br>
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</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;" align="left">然后将黑字变成 PENKYAMP.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;" align="left">然后先将孤立起身嘅绿字变成 PENKYAMP</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;" align="left"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;" align="left">无互存性问题嘅绿字, 我变成蓝色. 唔使存, 只管变就得.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;" align="left">我想将无互存性嘅黑字变成第种颜色. <br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;" align="left"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;" align="left">而家先瞓觉.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;" align="left"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left; color: Green;" align="left"><font size="5">好窍! 我哋将呢几十个要转换嘅广东话韵母, 从 01* 到 XX* 编排成 两位数后加 * 嘅代号</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left; color: Green;" align="left"><font size="5">然后将嗰三个要换嘅声母编排成 01$ 到 03$ 嘅两位数后加$ 嘅代号, 咪得囖. 我真系蠢喇.</font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left; color: Green;" align="left"><font size="5">呢次先将"存人"嗰啲 JYUTPING 改成 XX* 先. "被存"嗰啲后改. 我会将呢啲韵改成适当嘅颜色. <br></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;" align="left"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;" align="left"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;" align="left"><br></p>
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[ 本帖最後由 penkyamp 於 2008-8-27 16:35 編輯 ]
原帖由 <i>penkyamp</i> 於 2008-8-27 07:18 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=103118&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">因为英文系日耳曼语言, 日耳曼语有"短阔长窄"嘅, 同广东话相反嘅音位规律. 德文 WELTANSHAUUNG 嘅结尾用嘅就系"短阔"嘅 U, 当然比"长窄"嘅 U, 就系一般拼成 OO, OONG 嘅, 要阔. </span><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">当然, 既然 WELTANSHAUUNG 系"短阔", 就同广东话嘅 ONK 比较相似喇. 因为广东话嘅系"短窄", 但系系窄 O 之窄, 唔系窄 U 之窄. 日耳曼语系系 "阔 U 之阔, 非阔 O 之阔". 两者半路相逢喇.</span><br style="font-weight: bold;"><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">北
美人一般唔会将 CHUNG, FUNG 发成长窄嘅 CHOONG, FOONG, 除非好做作嘅人. 佢哋会发成"短阔"嘅,
WELTANSHAUUNG 嘅结尾, 同广东话 ONK 自然相似. 当然, 最常见嘅重系发成 CLUNG, FLUNG 嘅结尾.
呢啲先系英文本身嘅词汇具有嘅韵类.</span><br>講得好詳細，可惜我唔明<img smilieid="11" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/mad.gif" border="0"><br>不如你乾脆直接講，究竟係ung定係oong適合尐啦。我估你嘅意思係，oong合適一尐，啱唔啱？<br>
原帖由 <i>penkyamp</i> 於 2008-8-27 07:22 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=103120&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
而且一定要讲先后次序. 比如讲, 短元音嘅所有 AU, AI, ANG 等要先换成 AW, AY, ANK<br>然后先可以开始长元音嘅 AAU, AAI, AANG 换成 AU, AI, ANG, 唔系会乱嗮大龙. 你话系咪<br><br>重有, EU 要先换成 EAU 先<br>然后先开始 YU 到 EU 嘅转换, 你话系咪?<br><br>嗯，考慮得好細緻！<br>
原帖由 <i>xiss</i> 於 2008-8-27 21:40 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=103225&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
講得好詳細，可惜我唔明不如你乾脆直接講，究竟係ung定係oong適合尐啦。我估你嘅意思係，oong合適一尐，啱唔啱？ <br><br>无咁讲. 用 UNG 合适啲. 呢个亦系我对"唐罗"嘅态度. UNG 虽然喺系统性上同同韵腹嘅 OW 割裂咗, 但系无严重影响直观. 所以我一向唔系好极端反对黄锡凌方案, 而系更反对教院JYUTPING 嘅 "J-YU 用法" 同 呢啲所有方案唔合理嘅标调法. 注成 UNG, 系受咗英文影响. 而英文, 系一种日耳曼语系语言. 日耳蔓嘅"长窄短阔"同广东话, 希腊文嘅"长阔短窄"啱好相反, 造成两种语音系统嘅互不相容性. 但系, 如果唔从语音系统去睇, 其实黄锡凌系统用 UNG, 用 ING, 用 EOT 等, 系唔太违反直观嘅. 所以我有"如果 PENKYAMP 嘅主干地位可以确立落来, 黄锡凌系统嘅唐话罗马字做一种通俗嘅'黑本式'都唔反对"呢种讲法.<br><br><br>既然广东话 ONK 必"短", 就勿以长嘅形式 OONG 咁拼.<br><br><br><br>
[ 本帖最後由 penkyamp 於 2008-8-28 13:11 編輯 ]
<font size="5"><font color="Green"><i>广东话韵母Penkyamp编码斋数字版<br>
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</i></font></font><font size="3">爸 a=01@ 大 ai=02@ 跑 au=03@ 男 am=04@ 眼 an=05@ 硬 ang=06@ 集 ab=07@ 辣 ad=08@ 白 ag=09@<br><br></font><font size="3">
睇 ay=10@ 口 aw=11@ 飲 amp=12@ 新 ant=13@ 等 ank=14@ 十 ap=15@ 一 at=16@ 黑 ak=17@ 啦(窄口读) ah=18@</font><font size="3"><br><br>
車 e=19@ 掉(白读) eau=20@ 舔(白读) em=21@ 餅 eng=22@ 夾(白读) eb=23@ 咶(白读) ed=24@ 石 eg=25@<br><br></font><font size="3">
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[ 本帖最後由 penkyamp 於 2008-8-28 13:20 編輯 ]
原帖由 <i>penkyamp</i> 於 2008-8-28 09:06 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=103305&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a> 无咁讲. 用 UNG 合适啲. 呢个亦系我对"唐罗"嘅态度. UNG 虽然喺系统性上同同韵腹嘅 OW 割裂咗, 但系无严重影响直观.
所以我一向唔系好极端反对黄锡凌方案, 而系更反对教院JYUTPING 嘅 "J-YU 用法" 同 呢啲所有方案唔合理嘅标调法. 注成 UNG,
系受咗英文影响. 而英文, 系一种日耳曼语系语言. 日耳蔓嘅"长窄短阔"同广东话, 希腊文嘅"长阔短窄"啱好相反,
造成两种语音系统嘅互不相容性. 但系, 如果唔从语音系统去睇, 其实黄锡凌系统用 UNG, 用 ING, 用 EOT 等, 系唔太违反直观嘅.
所以我有"如果 PENKYAMP 嘅主干地位可以确立落来, 黄锡凌系统嘅唐话罗马字做一种通俗嘅'黑本式'都唔反对"呢种讲法. <br>噉樣如果僅僅從英文嘅發音習慣出發，用英文去擬出最接近onk嘅音。唔去考慮「拼音系統」嘅直觀性嘅話，係唔係oong更加合適呢？<br>
亦唔系. 我系完全唔会用一个长嘅 OO 来表示 ONK 嘅韵腹嘅. <br>用英表粤, 本身就无遵照到粤语本身规律, 完全只系模仿而已. <br>但呢种模仿要注意到两点: 韵腹开闭园唇度, 韵腹长短度. <br><br>不妨用 OANG . OA 读嘅系 JOAN 入边嘅读法.<br>
原帖由 <i>penkyamp</i> 於 2008-8-31 04:23 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=103799&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
亦唔系. 我系完全唔会用一个长嘅 OO 来表示 ONK 嘅韵腹嘅. <span style="font-weight: bold;">用英表粤, 本身就无遵照到粤语本身规律, 完全只系模仿而已. </span>但呢种模仿要注意到两点: 韵腹开闭园唇度, 韵腹长短度. 不妨用 OANG . OA 读嘅系 JOAN 入边嘅读 ... <br>噉樣嘅話邊個模仿得最似？<br>
DOANG.<br><br><br>
原帖由 <i>penkyamp</i> 於 2008-8-31 17:21 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=103946&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
DOANG. <br>oong同ung二選其一<img smilieid="12" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/lol.gif" border="0">，快尐揀啦<br>
原帖由 <i>xiss</i> 於 2008-8-31 22:20 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=103997&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
oong同ung二選其一，快尐揀啦 <br><br>我选 UNG, 但读 U 与 BOOK 元音似.<br>
原帖由 <i>penkyamp</i> 於 2008-9-1 18:02 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=104108&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
我选 UNG, 但读 U 与 BOOK 元音似. <br>噉樣我就ung同oong兼而取之啦<br>
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[ 本帖最後由 penkyamp 於 2008-9-12 16:10 編輯 ]
原帖由 <i>penkyamp</i> 於 2008-8-27 07:22 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=103120&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
我会先机械性转换, 囉我个 JYUTPING----PENKYAMP 对照表, 用 WORD 上边嘅 "REPLACE" 技能, 转嗮佢, 唔理生僻定常用.而且一定要讲先后次序. 比如讲, 短元音嘅所有 AU, AI, ANG 等要先换成 AW, AY, ANK然后先可以开始 ... <br>Penkyamp兄，今日我進行咗一下Jyutping音節表轉換成Penkyampji音節表嘅替換工作，但係好快就停咗落嚟，因爲遇到咗一個問題，需要同你商量一下：<br>如果依你所言，先將Jyutping嘅ai,au,am等音節先換成ay,aw,amp嘅話，雖然能夠避免其之後同Penkyampji嘅ai,au,am混淆，但係就換出現一個新問題：<span style="color: Blue; font-weight: bold;">會Jyutping嘅aai,aau,aam等音節變成aay,aaw,aamp。</span><br>噉樣嘅話，究竟應該點樣換先至好呢？<br>PS：為咗避免混亂落去，我已經決定重新從初板開始過替換工作，並且喺以上問題解決之前，暫緩替換工作。<br>
原帖由 <i>xiss</i> 於 2008-9-21 03:40 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=108465&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
Penkyamp兄，今日我進行咗一下Jyutping音節表轉換成Penkyampji音節表嘅替換工作，但係好快就停咗落嚟，因爲遇到咗一個問題，需要同你商量一下：如果依你所言，先將Jyutping嘅ai,au,am等音節先換成ay,aw,amp嘅話，雖然能夠避免其之 ... <br><br>必须将所有 jyutping 韵母都转换成数字加字符 code, 然后将 code 转换成 penkyamp 韵母<br>
原帖由 <i>penkyamp</i> 於 2008-9-21 12:32 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=108502&ptid=11175" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
必须将所有 jyutping 韵母都转换成数字<span style="font-weight: bold;">加字符 code</span>, 然后将 code 转换成 penkyamp 韵母 <br>么嘢叫做「加字符code」？<br>