[求助][討論]“咸（冚）唪唥”
<SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW"><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">呢度有個我哋粵語所講嘅</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">“</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">咸（冚）唪唥”，噉，普通話就係“全部、所有”嘅意思啦，噉，喺民間咧，就有好多種講法，有：“</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Georgia; mso-hansi-font-family: Georgia; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">咸不剌</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">”</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Georgia; mso-hansi-font-family: Georgia; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">（</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">“</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Georgia; mso-hansi-font-family: Georgia; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">冚扮烂</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">”</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Georgia; mso-hansi-font-family: Georgia; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">、</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">“</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Georgia; mso-hansi-font-family: Georgia; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">冚办烂）、咸（冚）</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">(</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Georgia; mso-hansi-font-family: Georgia; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">合并</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">)</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Georgia; mso-hansi-font-family: Georgia; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">同埋</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">咸（冚）唪唥</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">”</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 9.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Georgia; mso-hansi-font-family: Georgia; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">，咁多種嘅講法，喺度，想問下，呢幾個詞當中，邊一個詞係粵語嘅正字？唔該</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></SPAN> 请翻查旧帖，已经讨论过唔止一次嘞！ <P>目前推薦用“冚唪唥”。</P>
<P>此詞本字有專家認爲係“咸朋唥”。</P>
咸不剌
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><div><br></div><div>「咸不剌」也算个 似是而非 的答案。</div><br></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">咸，全部。不剌，北方汉语的语气助词。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">但是如果严格按照字典来处理的话，ham6这个音属「深摄」，显然不属于「咸摄」。如果非要将此音考为「咸」的话，那反而得出了「广话不存古」的定论。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">尽管其来历不明，但我们大可以参考倭语的处理方法，将其「土著化」。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">譬如，倭语的敬词「hai」，很明显本字就是「系」，但倭人还是将其用 平假名 标注，而且不标出汉字。说明倭人早已将这个「hai」「土著化」，使其彻底融入自己的土语。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">同理，我们也无必要非得给「 ham6 baang6 laang6 」搞个「正字」不可，用拼音标出就可以了。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div>[ 本帖最後由 使君子 於 2010-1-3 11:51 編輯 ] <FONT size=4>ham6 baang6 laang6 </FONT> <P>原帖由 <I>滙賢恭會</I> 於 2007-9-2 04:19 發表 <A href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=56873&ptid=7809" target=_blank><IMG onclick=zoom(this) border=0 alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')"></A> 呢度有個我哋粵語所講嘅「咸（冚）唪唥」，噉，普通話就係「全部、所有」嘅意思啦，噉，喺民間咧，就有好多種講法，有：「咸不剌」（「冚扮烂」、「冚办烂）、咸（冚）(合并)同埋咸（冚）唪唥」，咁多種嘅講法，喺度，想問下，呢幾個詞當中，邊一個詞係粵語 ... </P>
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<P>可能系潮州话嘅「咸帮人」，潮州音系「咸ham5帮bang1人nang5」</P>
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<P>原意系全部人，引申为全部</P>
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