neo 發表於 2007-1-7 06:07:58

[求助]關於“以為”同“認為”

喺廣州話入面,我覺得“以為”有“猜,估計”嘅意思。另一方面,“以為”呢個詞以前中國人就用佢表示“認為”嘅意思,好似咩“竊以爲“噉。唔知自己想問乜,各位就求祈發表吓啦。

余OK 發表於 2007-1-7 07:09:02

  粵語應該區分好呢兩個詞,而「以為」普語至今仍保留「認為」嘅意思,所以喺以普語及文言寫作時仍可以噉用。

dada 發表於 2007-1-7 13:31:25

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none;"><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">《國語辭典》對「以為」有三個解釋﹕</span><p></p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none;"><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-bidi-font-family: SimSun;">①</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">認為。</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">《</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">左傳</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-bidi-font-size: 18.0pt;">.</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">僖公二十三年</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">》</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">:</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">「</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">及齊,齊桓公妻之,有馬二十乘,公子安之。從者以為不可,將行,謀於桑下。</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">」</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">《</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">三國演義</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-bidi-font-size: 18.0pt;">.</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">第三回</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">》</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">:</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">「</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">吾欲廢帝,立陳留王,諸大臣以為何如?</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">」</span><p></p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none;"><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-bidi-font-family: SimSun;">②</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">用為、用作。</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">《</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">左傳</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-bidi-font-size: 18.0pt;">.</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">昭公十五年</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">》</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">:</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">「</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">司晉之典籍,以為大政。</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">」</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">《</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">三國演義</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-bidi-font-size: 18.0pt;">.</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">第十回</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">》</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">:</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">「</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">操與語大悅,曰:</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">『</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">此吾之子房也!</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">』</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">遂以為行軍司馬。</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">」</span><p></p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none;"><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-bidi-font-family: SimSun;">③</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">當作。如:</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">「</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">原來是你,我還以為是王先生呢!</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-FAMILY: MingLiU; mso-bidi-font-family: MingLiU;">」</span></p>

malsony 發表於 2007-1-7 18:41:10

<p>“以为”作“认为”,是“以……为……”的变体。</p>
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