“郁闷”“别扭”“纳闷”－－净系得普通话有，而粤语系唔用？

fjk 發表於 2006-12-21 21:06:56

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">以下是引用余OK在2006-12-21 11:51:28的發言： 　　呢度個「郁」其實就係傳統字嘅「鬱」，本身就讀屈，唔係讀沃，又例如「憂鬱」。「郁」先係讀沃，所以我好反感粵人將「鬱悶」用粵語講出成咗「沃悶」，「鬱」「郁」都簡成同一個「郁」，體會到簡化字嘅壞處喇啩？我唔同意寫成「慍悶」，因為本嚟就係「鬱悶」。另外「扭紋」好似冇太多「別扭」嘅意思，反而「周身唔聚財」有啲近磅。 </div>???? “扭紋”呢個詞本身系個多解辭彙,有一層含義就系解“彆扭”,至於講到系未大多數粵人因爲平時少聽少講而對有呢層解釋渾然不知就另當別論。<span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">??????? 講返嚟<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">,<span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">我自己原先亦屬懵盛盛呢類，後嚟睇返資料<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: PMingLiU; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">,<span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">至知有噉一解。

余OK 發表於 2006-12-21 21:12:37

　　講開又講，如果係「鬧彆扭」粵語可以講成「詏撬」。

moment 發表於 2006-12-21 08:05:55

大家有无留意到有D词，净系得普通话有，而粤语系唔用的呢～ 好似“郁闷”“别扭”“纳闷”之类的。我净系临到呢几个咋～

余OK 發表於 2006-12-21 08:07:08

　　有相類似嘅講法，但未必能夠準確對應到。

fjk 發表於 2006-12-21 19:44:12

<span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">粤语亦有郁闷—愠闷(wat1 mun6),注意呢个“愠”嘅发音,同“屈”音。?<span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">别扭—扭纹<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">(nau2 man4)。<span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">

余OK 發表於 2006-12-21 19:51:28

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">以下是引用fjk在2006-12-21 11:44:12的發言： <span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span lang="ZH-TW" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: PMingLiU; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">粤语亦有郁闷—愠闷(wat1 mun6),注意呢个“愠”嘅发音,同“屈”音。<span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">别扭—扭纹<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">(nau2 man4)。<span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"></div>　　呢度個「郁」其實就係傳統字嘅「鬱」，本身就讀屈，唔係讀沃，又例如「憂鬱」。「郁」先係讀沃，所以我好反感粵人將「鬱悶」用粵語講出成咗「沃悶」，「鬱」「郁」都簡成同一個「郁」，體會到簡化字嘅壞處喇啩？我唔同意寫成「慍悶」，因為本嚟就係「鬱悶」。另外「扭紋」好似冇太多「別扭」嘅意思，反而「周身唔聚財」有啲近磅。
[此帖子已經被作者於2006-12-21 12:09:56編輯過]

moment 發表於 2006-12-23 00:19:35

甘大家会晤会在讲粤语的时候，将普通话的音直接接入粤语会话当中呢？我地有时讲粤语系会夹d英文的，不过，有无夹带d普通话的情况呢？我想知道，如果有的话，会系关于边方面的词汇呢？譬如～？

余OK 發表於 2006-12-23 01:57:32

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">以下是引用moment在2006-12-22 16:19:35的發言： 甘大家会晤会在讲粤语的时候，将普通话的音直接接入粤语会话当中呢？我地有时讲粤语系会夹d英文的，不过，有无夹带d普通话的情况呢？我想知道，如果有的话，会系关于边方面的词汇呢？譬如～？</div>　　毫無疑問呢種趨勢越嚟越明顯，好多後生經常諗唔起粵語對應嘅詞彙就條件反射用返普語嚟講。大家平時有留意到呢啲現象可以喺呢處mark低，作為參考，教精啲人點用地道母語表達問題或事物。

Wai 發表於 2006-12-23 02:37:15

我講“苦悶”多啲。

tendy 發表於 2008-6-20 13:34:24

我觉得「郁闷」系读「屈闷」。因为「浓郁」系读「旭」<IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/smile.gif" border=0 smilieid="1">

外外星人 發表於 2008-6-20 17:54:37

原帖由 余OK 於 2006-12-21 19:51 發表 <A href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=28907&ptid=4507" target=_blank><IMG onclick=zoom(this) alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" border=0></A> QUOTE:QUOTE:以下是引用fjk在2006-12-21 11:44:12的發言：<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">粤语亦有郁闷—愠闷(wat1 mun6),注意呢个「愠」嘅发音,同「屈」音。 <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">别扭—扭纹<SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">(nau2 man4)。<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">
　　呢度個「郁」其實就係傳統字嘅「鬱」，本身就讀屈，唔係讀沃，又例如「憂鬱」。「郁」先係讀沃，所以我好反感粵人將「鬱悶」用粵語講出成咗「沃悶」，「鬱」「郁」都簡成同一個「郁」，體會到簡化字嘅壞處喇啩？我唔同意寫成「慍悶」，因為本嚟就係「鬱悶」。另外「扭紋」好似冇太多「別扭」嘅意思，反而「周身唔聚財」有啲近磅。 
 
同意。至于扭纹，可以引申为扭纹柴，扭纹柴者，难破也——呢个人<A href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/viewthread.php?tid=8551&page=1&fromuid=7215#pid75058">恶搞</A>；而扭纹本身可以有另一种讲法，即系扭计——细路仔难教。

外外星人 發表於 2008-6-20 19:19:31

原帖由 tendy 於 2008-6-20 13:34 發表 <A href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=87614&ptid=4507" target=_blank><IMG onclick=zoom(this) alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" border=0></A> 我觉得「郁闷」系读「屈闷」。因为「浓郁」系读「旭」 
 
融郁<IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/shy.gif" border=0 smilieid="8">

xiss 發表於 2008-6-20 19:30:25

原帖由 fjk 於 2006-12-21 19:44 發表 <A href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=28905&ptid=4507" target=_blank><IMG onclick=zoom(this) alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" border=0></A> 粤语亦有郁闷—愠闷(wat1 mun6),注意呢个「愠」嘅发音,同「屈」音。?别扭—扭纹(nau2 man4)。 
「鬱悶」後來簡化成「郁闷」。但係郁並非簡化字，繁體字裏面亦有「郁」字。而喺廣州話裏面，「鬱」本來同「郁」唔同音。「鬱」字讀「wat1」，「郁」字讀「yok1」，後來簡化漢字，將兩者合併為「郁」。由此可見，「wat1 mun6」正寫就係「鬱悶」。反而「愠闷」未曾聼過！！

neo 發表於 2008-6-20 21:05:18

「淹」悶？

失敗飛 發表於 2008-6-20 22:12:27

闷闭翳、扭计、  念唔通奇怪<IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/shy.gif" border=0 smilieid="8">

葉牛熟儀 發表於 2008-6-20 22:37:48

都係撈檔整出嚟嘅異形字之錯........<IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/sweat.gif" border=0 smilieid="10">

Jean 發表於 2008-6-20 23:01:41

代人覆貼

「别扭」一词，意为局促、不舒服，同粤语词「纽纹」相去甚远~
「别扭」对应粤语中最为贴切一词乃「lei（黎）2gei（鸡）6」 ~ 呢个词在今天的粤语使用中，经已近乎灭绝，极待紧急抢救！！！ 

[ 本帖最後由 Jean 於 2008-6-20 23:20 編輯 ]

葉牛熟儀 發表於 2008-6-20 23:11:30

原帖由 neo 於 2008-6-20 21:05 發表 <A href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=87721&ptid=4507" target=_blank><IMG onclick=zoom(this) alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" border=0></A> 「淹」悶？     
 
「淹」悶係要嚟鬧人嘅........

葉牛熟儀 發表於 2008-6-20 23:20:11

原帖由 moment 於 2006-12-21 08:05 發表 <A href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=28854&ptid=4507" target=_blank><IMG onclick=zoom(this) alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" border=0></A> 大家有无留意到有D词，净系得普通话有，而粤语系唔用的呢～好似「郁闷」「别扭」「纳闷」之类的。我净系临到呢几个咋～ 
 
重有,撈話嘅狒疣.......

外外星人 發表於 2008-6-21 01:15:26

原帖由 Jean 於 2008-6-20 23:01 發表 <A href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=87763&ptid=4507" target=_blank><IMG onclick=zoom(this) alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" border=0></A> 「别扭」一词，意为局促、不舒服，同粤语词「纽纹」相去甚远~ 「别扭」对应粤语中最为贴切一词乃「lei（黎）2gei（鸡）6」 ~呢个词在今天的粤语使用中，经已近乎灭绝，极待紧急抢救！！！ ... 
 
捩gei<IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/shy.gif" border=0 smilieid="8">

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“郁闷”“别扭”“纳闷”－－净系得普通话有，而粤语系唔用？

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