朱利安 發表於 2008-11-10 13:22:02

何解粤人既喜「恰」人又好「虾」人呢

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<P>其实粤人所谓既「恰」人与「虾」人均系来自「欺压」人</P>
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<P>「恰」hap1音系来自「欺压」一词连读所产生既切音</P>
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<P>「欺」字系康熙字典既注音为【唐韻】去其切</P>
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<P>「压」字系康熙字典既注音为【集韻】【韻會】【正韻】乙甲切，音鴨</P>
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<P>而「甲」字系康熙字典既注音为【正韻】古洽切，音夾【韻補】叶訖立切，音急</P>
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<P>可见「欺压」一词连读所产生既切音即系去洽切，去急切，亦即系发「恰」hap1音</P>
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<P>因此粤人所谓既「恰」人其实就系「欺压」人</P>
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<P>「虾」haa1音则系来自「欺压霸道」</P>
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<P>粤语原本应该讲作「恰恰霸霸」</P>
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<P>但为何变成读作「虾虾霸霸」呢</P>
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<P>皆因「恰」发hap1音，而「霸」发baa3音</P>
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<P>近现代汉语既p音与b音皆系清音，两者既区别只系p音送气，b音不送气而已</P>
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<P>因此当「恰」既p音与「霸」既b音连读时，p音被b音所同化</P>
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<P>于是乎「恰恰霸霸」「hap1hap1baa3baa3」变成了「虾虾霸霸」「haa1haa1baa3baa3」</P>
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<P>「恰」hap1音亦变成了「虾」haa1音</P>
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<P>综上所述，「恰」hap1音与「虾」haa1音均系来自「欺压」一词</P>
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<P>「欺压」人解作欺负压迫人</P>
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<P>「恰」人与「虾」人亦解作欺负人</P>
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<P>此解释音义俱通，方为正解</P>
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<P>附言：</P>
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<P>论坛某君话「虾」人来源自「嚇」人，「恰」人来源自「脅」人</P>
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<P>其理据皆系以音变作解释，姑且不论其音变是否正确</P>
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<P>就「嚇」人与「脅」人既词义作分析</P>
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<P>「嚇」人解作使人害怕，「嚇」发haak3音</P>
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<P>现今粤语仍在使用中，其词义并不符合欺负之意</P>
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<P>「脅」人解作威吓挟持，「脅」发hip3音</P>
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<P>其词义亦并不符合欺负之意</P>
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<P>可见某君既推论纯系为音而音，脱离词义，音义分离</P>
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[ 本帖最後由 神七咁早 於 2008-11-11 08:38 編輯 ]

melop 發表於 2008-11-10 14:16:07

朱兄咁錯蕩呀，又來發表高見。講得都幾有道理。。。<img smilieid="9" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/titter.gif" border="0"><br>

外外星人 發表於 2008-11-10 14:32:30

要过滤！<IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/titter.gif" border=0 smilieid="9">

正正 發表於 2008-11-10 15:37:47

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紫凤凰 發表於 2008-11-10 17:31:34

<P>原帖由 <I>外外星人</I> 於 2008-11-10 14:32 發表 <A href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=117804&amp;ptid=13403" target=_blank><IMG onclick=zoom(this) alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" border=0></A> 要过滤！ </P>
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<P>Correct。</P>

黄百万 發表於 2008-11-11 12:13:55

<P>朱老兄又系度捞松扮精通。</P>
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