xiss 發表於 2008-8-15 10:34:54

原帖由 <i>penkyamp</i> 於 2008-8-15 04:08 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=100148&amp;ptid=11629" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
廣東四會&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 冼東妹&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sĩn Dönk-mùi&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tung-mooi Sin &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 金牌&nbsp; 女子柔道58公斤級決賽"妹"呢个字, 我可以话, 作为人名,... <br>我諗香港作爲一個國際城市，而且港府拼法又係殖民時期由英國人參與制定嘅，喺道照顧外國人嘅發音呢方便，唔會差得去邊。<br>其實，我哋成日覺得港府拼法清音不送氣唔用bg等字母嚟到表示唔夠合理，其實我諗我哋係企咗喺中國人嘅角度去睇問題。因爲，bgd等字母喺英文裏面根本就同不送氣清音無關，人哋係發濁音嘅，而中古漢語時期嘅濁音嚟到宜家嘅粵語早已經退化曬，粵語裏面根本已經冇濁音。所以唔用bgd等字母嚟到表示不送氣清音有佢嘅道理。<br>英文裏面並冇不送氣清音，有嘅只係送氣清音ptk等。所以，作爲一套譯音系統，尊重英文發音習慣，用ptk嚟到表示粵語裏面嘅清音（送氣和不送氣），係最合適咖嘞。<br><br>當然以上分析係針對涉外嘅譯音系統嚟到講嘅，注音系統則另當別論。<br>

penkyamp 發表於 2008-8-15 10:49:46

我想以后广东人会自觉慢慢咁从 PTK 表非破音, 转变到 BDG 度来, 好似台湾人而家咁. <br>呢啲系自然嘅变改, 亦同用英文中已有嘅清浊两组辅音来分担英化拼音中辅音字母嘅"压力"有关. 英文中两组: 清破, 浊非破, 虽然同粤语中两组: 清破, 清非破, 系唔一样嘅对应关系, 但系有个共同性就系 破同非破嘅关系, 唔系 清同浊嘅关系.<br><br>我哋应该感谢世界上有日耳曼语系呢种含有 清破, 浊非破&nbsp; 嘅语言. 如果欧洲拉丁字母国家, 只有西班牙文呢种只有 清非破, 浊非破 嘅语言, 咁"粤名西化"入边嘅辅音字母, 就好难卸下呢种 PTK 既表破又表非破嘅负荷. <br><br>会自自然然改变嘅. 台湾人已经咁喇. <br>

xiss 發表於 2008-8-15 10:53:50

原帖由 <i>penkyamp</i> 於 2008-8-15 10:49 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=100200&amp;ptid=11629" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" border="0"></a>
我想以后广东人会自觉慢慢咁从 PTK 表非破音, 转变到 BDG 度来, 好似台湾人而家咁. 呢啲系自然嘅变改, 亦同用英文中已有嘅清浊两组辅音来分担英化拼音中辅音字母嘅"压力"有关. 英文中两组: 清破, 浊非破, 虽然同粤语 ... <br>其實我覺得用ptk表示粵語不送氣清音一尐都唔係負荷，只要我哋接受佢就係嘞，我哋慢慢都會慣，香港人已經慣咗啦。<br>

xiss 發表於 2008-8-15 10:57:09

而且我覺得，ptk雖然係送氣，但係同粵語嘅清音不送氣重起碼有一個清音嘅共同關係。至於話濁音，儘管兩者都係不送氣，但係首要條件「清音」都唔係，所以我覺得其實bgd同粵語嘅清音不送氣差得重遠。<br>前者同屬清音範疇，但係後者就分屬兩個範疇嘞。<br>

penkyamp 發表於 2008-8-15 10:58:19

我贴出佢哋嘅唐罗版名试下遮. 其实同约定俗成嘅英化方案, 感觉差别唔系好大咁遮.<br>

tonybean 發表於 2008-8-15 22:45:44

<P>楊伊琳再為中國隊增添一塊銅牌，證明自己喺體操方面嘅全能實力！而江鈺源喺跳馬同自由操度都有唔同程度嘅失誤，遺憾未得到獎牌，得第六。</P>

外外星人 發表於 2008-8-15 22:48:21

<P>原帖由 <I>tonybean</I> 於 2008-8-15 22:45 發表 <A href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=100530&amp;ptid=11629" target=_blank><IMG onclick=zoom(this) alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" border=0></A> 楊伊琳再為中國隊增添一塊銅牌，證明自己喺體操方面嘅全能實力！而江鈺源喺跳馬同自由操度都有唔同程度嘅失誤，遺憾未得到獎牌，得第六。 </P>
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<P>好彩得你重归主题。<IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/smile.gif" border=0 smilieid="1"> 讲讲下，讲到离晒大谱。<IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/sweat.gif" border=0 smilieid="10"> </P>

tonybean 發表於 2008-8-15 23:42:02

楊伊琳有尐似章子怡

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外外星人 發表於 2008-8-15 23:57:13

杨伊琳出征照

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外外星人 發表於 2008-8-16 00:01:58

高低杠俄罗斯四年后再夺冠 柳金屈居亚军杨伊琳铜牌

<P align=center><FONT size=2>2007-9-9 11:33:20</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face=楷体_GB2312 color=#000066 size=2>杨伊琳展示奖牌</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 人民网·天津视窗9月9日电：北京时间9月8日晚上9点55分，世界体操锦标赛结束了女子高低杠的争夺，俄罗斯选手塞梅诺娃以16.350的分获得冠军，美国选手柳金以16.300分获得亚军，我国选手杨伊琳表现不错，以16.150分获得季军。<BR></FONT></P>

外外星人 發表於 2008-8-16 00:03:47

<P><FONT color=#6633ff size=2><IMG src="http://118.img.pp.sohu.com/images/blog/2007/6/21/20/17/113e7176e93.jpg" border=0></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#6633ff size=2>广东队的杨伊琳虽然才进入国家队不久，但这次就成了新科全能冠军，她身材修长，有气质，做动作挺优美，前途无量</FONT></P>

tonybean 發表於 2008-8-16 00:06:16

<P>好靚好得意！</P>
<P>希望聽日謝杏芳為廣州人再添一塊金牌！</P>

外外星人 發表於 2008-8-16 00:06:31

<P><FONT color=#6600cc size=2><IMG src="http://117.img.pp.sohu.com/images/blog/2007/6/21/20/19/113e71cc2d7.jpg" border=0></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#6600cc size=2>开心果小如抱着小师妹杨伊琳，二人笑得多开心！非常喜欢小如开朗活泼的性格</FONT></P>

highyun 發表於 2008-8-16 00:43:12

舉重嗰個陸永係廣西嘅，都可以入呢個榜啦。

外外星人 發表於 2008-8-16 00:57:01

奥运举重冠军陆永

<P align=center><FONT color=#003366 size=2>2008年08月15日 22:33 来源:中国新闻网</FONT></P>
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<P align=left><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;8月15日，北京奥运举重男子85公斤级决赛中，中国选手陆永夺得冠军。这是中国代表团在本届奥运会上的第25枚奥运金牌，同时也是中国举重队在本届奥运会上夺得的第8枚金牌，他成为首位举重大级别上夺金的中国选手。 中新社发 任晨鸣 摄</FONT></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>

xiss 發表於 2008-8-16 12:00:54

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xiss 發表於 2008-8-16 12:01:57

向上面嘅highyun、tonybean、外外星人致謝。<img smilieid="17" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/handshake.gif" border="0"><br>

xiss 發表於 2008-8-17 11:15:30

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<!--><b style=""><span style="font-size: 18pt; font-family: 微软雅黑; color: red;" lang="ZH-TW">謝杏芳遺憾摘銀</span></b><span style="font-size: 15pt; font-family: 微软雅黑; color: blue;" lang="ZH-TW"><br>廣州籍嘅羽毛球選手謝杏芳喺羽毛球女子單打決賽上以</span><span style="font-size: 15pt; font-family: 微软雅黑; color: blue;" lang="EN-US">1</span><span style="font-size: 15pt; font-family: 微软雅黑; color: blue;" lang="ZH-TW">比</span><span style="font-size: 15pt; font-family: 微软雅黑; color: blue;" lang="EN-US">2</span><span style="font-size: 15pt; font-family: 微软雅黑; color: blue;" lang="ZH-TW">惜敗張寧，以銀牌嘅方式略帶遺憾噉樣結束咗佢本屆奧運會嘅征程。</span><span style="font-size: 15pt; font-family: 微软雅黑; color: blue;">喺整個決賽期間，謝杏芳得到衆多現場嘅廣東觀衆支持。</span><span style="font-size: 15pt; font-family: 微软雅黑; color: blue;" lang="ZH-TW">大批廣東觀衆親赴北京用鏗鏘嘅粵語大聲嗌出：「謝杏芳加油！」嘅口號，節奏之齊整，氣勢之大，使得整個決賽場館回蕩住粵語，粵語嘅聲浪蓋住咗為張寧打氣嘅普通話口號。<br>雖然謝杏芳最終遺憾摘銀，但係憑藉其拼搏嘅表現，優雅嘅步伐，總算係雖敗猶榮，</span><span style="font-size: 15pt; font-family: 微软雅黑; color: blue;">佢為廣東贏得咗一塊銀牌，而唔係輸咗一面金牌。</span>

xiss 發表於 2008-8-17 11:35:02

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vincent10 發表於 2008-8-17 16:57:15

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