「上海话单音素有50个,普通话仅32个,粤语不足33个。」
「上海话单音素有50个,普通话仅32个,粤语不足33个。」常常见到吴语人士以此文章壮其声威,边位可以分析、拓展下此句话,我唔系好明 講咁多有乜用呀,而家都冇人識講喇幾乎 粵語嘅音素冇理由比普通話少㗎 本帖最後由 penkyamp 於 2010-9-2 14:17 編輯
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line-height: normal; font-size: x-large; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; ">2</font></span></font></b></a><a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/thread-20465-3-2.html" style="word-wrap: break-word; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(124, 110, 76); line-height: normal; padding-top: 2px; padding-right: 4px; padding-bottom: 2px; padding-left: 4px; "><b style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; font-size: x-large; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; ">3</font></span></font></b></a><b style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; font-size: x-large; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/thread-20465-4-2.html" style="word-wrap: break-word; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(124, 110, 76); line-height: normal; padding-top: 2px; padding-right: 4px; padding-bottom: 2px; padding-left: 4px; ">4</a></font></span></font></b></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: 24px; border-collapse: collapse; "><span class="threadpages" style="word-wrap: break-word; white-space: nowrap; line-height: normal; "><b style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; font-size: x-large; "><br></span></font></b></span></span></div></div></font></div></span></div> 廣東話有五個音調號, 六個調。 吳語唔足 三個音調號 。 普通話四個我用 Penkyamp 输入 ...
penkyamp 發表於 2010-8-28 19:54 http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif
此言我明白,明明粤语向汉语中音调多寡系排前几位,
却变得与普通话一个音素数量,因而我疑惑此论如何究竟。。。
粤语拼音我已经安装,限于时间未能学习,希望有学习教程电子书(或txt)下载学习!!
不然只有我有时间先可以学勒。。 那是因为粤语中有好多死音。就是理论上存在,但事实上上使用的字节。
如boo。还有choon,li,gi,ki等等。
所以,粤语音素需多,但音节组合较少。
假设普通话的可用音节数为N。由于普通话中存在儿化音。可以构成新的音节。所以普通话的理论音节是2N个
而儿化音又不量用于名词。这样可以将同音名词与其他词类分开。比如,míngr,口语中单用一般是『名』。míng,口语中单用一般是『明』。
还有huar。单用是指花朵。名词。
hua,单用指花钱。动词。 音素啵,好似系讲啲ng啊、amp、am之类嘎嘛……类似音母同韵母锦?? 唔知想表達乜野?
佢想話佢地輔音多?
廣東話輔音的確係好簡化,依家連ng都冇埋。 此言我明白,明明粤语向汉语中音调多寡系排前几位,<br><br>却变得与普通话一个音素数量,因而我疑惑此论 ...<br><font size="2"><font color="#999999">無他 發表於 2010-8-28 21:41</font> <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=197768&ptid=26568" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" border="0" alt=""></a></font><br><br><div>先學打呢幾個字啦!</div><div><br></div><div>下面有個「廣東話全部聲母韻母表」,從「爸,大,跑,男」一直排到 「苦,杯,門,活,唔,五」。 每個漢字同一組拉丁韻組對應。 左手邊系 Penkyamp,右手邊系 Jyutping. 你安裝嗰套系統系為咗打 Penkyamp 輸入漢字而設計嘅。 </div><div><a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/thread-17714-1-1.html"><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#008000"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;">http://bbs.cantonese.asia/thread-17714-1-1.html</span></font></b></a><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#008000"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;"><br></span></font></b><br></div><div>打完呢啲所有嘅廣東話全部韻母,你就可以開始 按住 Penkyamp 以下嘅例文 打 漢字。 你打下打下,就知道我嘅 Penkyamp 例文系乜意思咖喇!</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-family: arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">Penkyamp 广东话时势短评<br><br>Gayjok sewuimantjeujeuyi ge honanksenk:<br>Ngo yenkway sawsin yiu gaikeud ge hay nigo jenkkeun mjeong nonkmant, kuonggonk, mantgong dongsenk yant lay doydoi ge joyngog minmok. 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Sin mhow gong tonk bingo guo'm'hoy, tonk bingo doy-jeog-gon.<br>"Dongyeun" jonk yeuguo yaw jantjenk ge sewuijeuyije tong mantjeujeuyije, hay mwui tonk jilek 致力 yeu doklap gauyok siyib ge yant guo'm'hoy ge. Soyi gauyokje yekdow mwui tonk koydey doy-jeog-gon.<br><br>Penkyamp 广东话时势短评<br><br>Yi goyant 个人 dok 独 cenk yeu joklaw 浊流, guyin hay yatjonk kongjank. Guyeu yeod 古语曰 "bat senkgonk bin senkyant".<br>Danhay yi jonk "dongyeun" cimsoy 潜水 yeu joklaw yi ji-yiway cenk, jak hay lowsin ge co'm 错误.<br>M'how yilai m'hoyi sontlai ge gidkaw. Yiu gauyok nonkceunsenksi ge yeumant 愚民tonk siusimant 小市民. Yiu say senk'm ge yant senkway jantjenk ge sewuimantjeujeuyi wantdonk ge yatyeun, yi m'hay "mow dong 党, dank dong" ge yatyeun.<br>Ci 此 dong mow ho 可-yeu 语-ji si 史. 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