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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 20pt; mso-ascii-font-family: SimHei; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">語言</SPAN></B><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: SimHei; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 20pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 新細明體"> </SPAN></B><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 20pt; mso-ascii-font-family: SimHei; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">關聯到思維方式、思想方法</SPAN></B><FONT face="Times New Roman"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 20pt; mso-ascii-font-family: SimHei" lang=EN-US>…</SPAN></B><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt" lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">答</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">29</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">楼碰友：</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman"> <BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: SimHei; COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">世界上语言学家公认，语言（母语）关联到思维方式、思想方法，最终关联到该语言的族群的精神和物质产品也就是文化的类型。</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">不是我随便说说的或危言耸听。</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">许多学校，课间甚至在校时间说上海话要扣</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">「</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">表现分</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">」</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">的。这种规定只不过是你有幸没有碰到或听到而已。现实恶毒到，有些幼儿园（孩子母语的形成期）也有此规定。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman"> <BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你和你的表弟非常值得尊敬和学习，坚持用上海话。但是，就不说我邻居有</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">3</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">个小学</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">5</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">年级的孩子不会说上海话吧，省得被人说是个例，不会说上海话的孩子多可是报纸上的统计过的。</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">你似乎学到了些北方人的蛮横，不顾我贴文中已说</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">「</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">反普不是反普通话本身，是反其强制性</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">「</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">，硬说我搞不明白</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">「</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">推普和维方是不矛盾的</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">」</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman"> <BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我再重申一遍，我反对强制推广的同时，打压方言。在打压，即使是汉语，在历史上也发生过差点被阿尔泰语替代的危险。那真叫个险。和有无自信无关。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman"> <BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我们要学会在推广自己的论据时，不要歪曲、遮蔽对方的论据论点，好吗？</SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: SimHei; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">我们不能用个案来推翻普遍性。</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: SimHei; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">母语关联到一个群体的思维方式，是整体性的。并没有否定某个群体中每个个体之间的差异性。即使再先进的文化和文明，其个体也是有差异的。文明和文化之间的比较，向来是整体上比较的，不是拿其中的民众个体，一个个来比较的。</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">即使拿出身于非洲的一个毕业于耶鲁的土著同西方人中的多数人比较，多数西方人是比不了的，但能说明非洲整体上比西方先进？</SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">吴越语就是伟大了几千年的江南文化的基石，上海话是其代表之一。没有了江南文化，就像没有了古埃及人，阿人的现埃及是没有古埃及的灿烂的。</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">我们的父辈，虽然因时代的局限、个人经历的影响、或教育程度差别等，体现出个体上的差异，与我们年轻一代有更大</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">「</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">代沟</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face="Times New Roman">」</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">，但他们身上同样有鲜明的上海文化烙印，额头上闪烁着上海人的智慧。他们的经历和人生经验，同样是我们年轻一代精神财富。</SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT></P>
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