[mɛ⁵³]（背负东西）、 [sai⁵³]（浪费）、[tɐm³³]（哄骗）、[ŋak⁵³]（欺骗）
<P>小弟想请问各位以下读音粤语方言字点写？</P><P> </P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">[</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: IPAPANNEW; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">mɛ⁵³</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">]</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">（背负东西）、</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"> [</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: IPAPANNEW; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">sai⁵³</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">]</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">（浪费）、</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">[</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: IPAPANNEW; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">tɐm³³</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">]</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">（哄骗）、</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">[</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: IPAPANNEW; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">ŋak⁵³</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">]</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">（欺骗）</SPAN></P> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: -webkit-xxx-large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; 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請教
樓主啲上標調值數字係點輸入？抑或純粹copy過嚟？ <P>原帖由 <I>余OK</I> 於 2010-1-23 13:47 發表 <A href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=169592&ptid=20691" target=_blank><IMG onclick=zoom(this) alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" border=0></A> 樓主啲上標調值數字係點輸入？抑或純粹copy過嚟？ </P><P>用国际音标输入法就可以输入啦</P> <P>原帖由 <I>馬萬千</I> 於 2010-1-23 13:24 發表 <A href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=169590&ptid=20691" target=_blank><IMG onclick=zoom(this) border=0 alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')"></A> 孭㩄䐺呃11358 </P>
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<P>其他字就不知道,但 䐺 字从肉从覃,【唐韻】食味美也! 恐怕沒哄騙之意!</P>
<P>應該是 言罙 从言从罙,言不實也,這個才是哄騙!
<P>至於"呃人"的"呃",有人話是 言矍 ,不過反切相差很遠,可能也不是.</P>
[ 本帖最後由 雲淡風輕 於 2010-1-27 15:30 編輯 ] 馬生有時都呃呃tam3tam3<IMG alt="" src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/lol.gif" border=0 smilieid="12"> <P>前面两个同意。</P>
<P>tem啗，以利餌人亦曰啗。【廣韻】徒（t）敢（em）切【史記·高帝紀】使酈生陸賈徃說秦將，啗以利。ngak讹，词组「讹人」：谓假借某种理由勒索、诈取他人财物。<SPAN class=diczx1>《红楼梦》</SPAN>第一○四回：「 倪二 仗着有些力气，恃酒<FONT color=red>讹人</FONT>。」<SPAN class=diczx1>《官场现形记》</SPAN>第四四回：「那里有这许多？明明<FONT color=red>讹人</FONT>罢哩！」 杨朔 <SPAN class=diczx1>《春子姑娘》</SPAN>：「 郭疤 变了脸说：『你认识我，我可不认识你，这才怪呢！于今是新社会，别放赖<FONT color=red>讹人</FONT>！』」；「讹钱」：敲诈、勒索他人钱财。 樊增祥 <SPAN class=diczx1>《批张长贵呈词》</SPAN>：「忽遇 朱老三 将尔拖至伊处，鞭打绳拴，<FONT color=red>讹钱</FONT>三串。」 讹，国音e「额（粤音ngak）」，所以读ngak唔出奇。「呃」不过係一个语气词，变成粤语的「厄」好明显係口字边+「厄」（表音）的一个借字。</P> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 宋体; line-height: 26px; font-size: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 宋体; line-height: 26px; font-size: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br></span></div>「啗」是「啖」的异体字，属定母(*d-)咸摄（广话-am或-aam 中古拟音*-aam），不属透母(*t-)深摄（广话-am 中古拟音*-em/*-im），况且中古音里面没有「透母深摄」这种组合。</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 宋体; line-height: 26px; font-size: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 宋体; line-height: 26px; font-size: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">「讹」是果摄平声（*-o），不是梗摄入声(广话-ak或-aak 中古拟音*-wk)。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 宋体; line-height: 26px; font-size: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 宋体; line-height: 26px; font-size: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br></span></div>
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