广福侨民的仇敌——Suharto
<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 22px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">造成大批广福侨民死亡的1998年「黑色五月」惨剧的幕后最大策划者,印尼前总统Suharto,长相不但完全没有「矮黑」</span><span href="tag.php?name=%D6%D6%D7%E5" onclick="tagshow(event)" class="t_tag" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; cursor: pointer; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(255, 0, 0); white-space: nowrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">种族</span></span><span href="tag.php?name=%CC%D8%D5%F7" onclick="tagshow(event)" class="t_tag" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; cursor: pointer; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(255, 0, 0); white-space: nowrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">特征</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">(大鼻窿 反嘴唇),反而是非常</span><span href="tag.php?name=%B5%E4%D0%CD" onclick="tagshow(event)" class="t_tag" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; cursor: pointer; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(255, 0, 0); white-space: nowrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">典型</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">的 南岛—新</span><span href="tag.php?name=%D1%C7%D6%DE" onclick="tagshow(event)" class="t_tag" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; cursor: pointer; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(255, 0, 0); white-space: nowrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">亚洲</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">人 长相。甚至很容易被误会成「福建人」、「印第安人」。<br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; ">早在上世纪60年代,Suharto便以非常残酷的手段来镇压广福侨民。<br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; ">Suharto是爪哇族土著。<br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; ">而亲近广福侨民的Sukarno,同样是爪哇族土著,却带有一点点「矮黑」种族特征。<br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; ">Suharto为首的军队集团,在上世纪60年代推翻了Sukarno之后,便开始对广福侨民大开杀戒。<br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; ">所以我认为,东南亚各国之间的恩怨,根本不是什么种族隔阂,而是由意识形态冲突造成的。<br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 22px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; ">1993年的Suharto:</span><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/President_Suharto%2C_1993.jpg/468px-President_Suharto%2C_1993.jpg" onload="thumbImg(this)" alt="" width="468" height="599" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 22px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 22px; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">相比之下,亲近广福侨民的Sukarno「矮黑」特征要明显些:</span><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Soekarno.jpg" onload="thumbImg(this)" alt="" width="196" height="290" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div> <P>蘇哈托係反支那,唔係有心反粵反潮反客嘅。</P><P> </P>
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<P>不過鬼叫去咗南洋班人支奴意識太過之深咩,下下都話自己係支那人支那僑,啲印尼佬仲唔搵妳出氣咩!</P>
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<P>直到家下,去咗南洋班粵籍人仲係冇啲醒悟,依然都係咁冥頑不靈,承認自己係支統而唔係同支那徹底分割,承認自己係粵統潮統客統!</P>
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<P>喺東南亞,印尼係霸王老大,又係回教國家,民風保守兼排外,反支歷嚟發生過好多次,變咗傳統。假如去咗南洋班友關乎「支那」範疇嘅思維理念仲係同上幾代噉迂腐落後,粵民族(潮民族,客民族)意識唔及早醒覺,仲係同支那撈埋一齊唔作出分割嘅話,噉印尼下一波反支潮又係實聽死佢哋先!</P>
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<P> </P> <div><br></div>原帖由 <i>粵嚟粵掂</i> 於 2010-1-17 22:26 發表 <a href="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=169133&ptid=20559" target="_blank"><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/common/back.gif" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt=""></a> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(83, 83, 83); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">喺東南亞,印尼係霸王老大,又係回教國家,民風保守兼排外,</span></span><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">印尼有成两亿几人口,旧阵时系最恶,不过自从1997年金融风暴之后(不得不承认印尼的金融监管制度极为垃圾),实力已大不如前。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">现时越南保有既高且稳的增长率,国际观望,越南最有可能取代印尼成为东南亚一哥。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">去indexmundi查下就知,天朝的经济增长数据非常紊乱(内分泌失调?),大上大落;而越南一路都好稳阵咁向上爬升。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">柬埔寨、寮国 等后进国家,近年来承接 制衣业、制鞋业 等等初级产业,经济亦开始有大幅增长。柬埔寨2007年GDP达到9%的增幅,令国际震惊。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">香港的金融制度完全由英国把持,同印尼一样属「无掩鸡笼」一类。当时英国撤走后,金融风暴即刻爆发,若然天朝不对香港注入资金的话,香港实变死港。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">而星加坡的李氏集团非常醒定,对国内金融一向严厉监管,所以先至无事。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">=============</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">「辩证法」听过未?不要将印尼视作铁板一块,<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">分而化之 崩解印尼</font></b> 才是王道。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">印尼国内的族群矛盾一样深刻。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">广福侨民移殖印尼几百年来,与印尼的「少数民族」相处得一直很好,这些「少数民族」包括,从马拉半岛移民过来的马拉族(Malay)、谋求自治的阿齐族(Aceh)、婆罗洲(加里曼丹岛)的土著Dayak族。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">爪哇族(Java)是印尼的主体民族,有成亿几人口,<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">爪哇族 集中居住在 爪哇岛 一岛上(人口密度几乎是广东的一倍),其他岛都好少分布。</font></b>峇厘岛上的土著Balinese虽然也属爪哇文化,但人种体质比较偏向新亚洲黄种人,肤色较浅 面部轮廓较清秀,而且他们与爪哇本岛的爪哇族人关系一般。另外,与 马拉半岛 共同构成 马六甲海峡 的 苏门答腊岛,当地居民主要是 阿齐族、马拉族 ,一样极度反对爪哇族统治。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">在1998年的事件中,婆罗洲的爪哇族暴徒企图冲击广福侨民的聚居处,Dayak族的酋长们立即带齐军火族众过来「帮拖」,并对西方媒体说:「<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">我们是一家人</font></b>」。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">几百年来,以Dayak族为首的婆罗洲各族土著,与广福侨民相处极好。梅州人罗芳伯成立的「兰芳大总制」,整个婆罗洲各族都争相加入寻求庇护,<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">因为他们都忌惮爪哇族</font></b>。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">现时的Bahasa Indonesia(标准印尼话),其实大致等同于Bahasa Malaysia(标准马拉话),而<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">不是爪哇族的族语</font></b>。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">现在广福侨民首先要做的事情,绝对不是<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#8B0000">「复兴华夏」这样的不切实际兼且犯众憎</font></b>的蠢事,而是先要<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">全数平安地撤出爪哇岛</font></b>。爪哇岛首埠 雅加达 的产业就莫要再留恋了,当作是「留下买路钱」,白送给爪哇族土人罢就啦。东南亚资源丰富,要想在别处东山再起,又有何难呢??</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">第二步要做的事情,就是要号召 苏门答腊岛、婆罗洲 各族,高调对外宣传,坚持反抗斗争,<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">脱离印尼,加入大马联邦。</font></b>大马联邦的经济文化治安都要远优于印尼,如此优厚的条件,各族又怎会不答应?目前婆罗洲北部的 Sarawak(沙劳越)、Sabah(沙巴) 两州均属大马联邦,汶莱独立一国,婆罗洲中南部皆为印尼地界。<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">如果能够动员 星加坡、汶莱 两大富国都加入 大马联邦 以共同对抗爪哇,那就固然最好。</font></b></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">第三步,最后一击,煽动东部的 苏拉威西、摩禄卡、西帝汶、巴布亚 纷纷脱离爪哇族统治。这一带的人种以矮黑人为主,无乜黄种人,<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF"><b>帮助他们合组一个 群岛联邦</b></font>,也是很好的。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div>
[ 本帖最後由 使君子 於 2010-1-18 17:18 編輯 ]
形势分析
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41902000/gif/_41902798_indonesia_quake_map416.gif" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">由上图可见,马拉半岛 与西南外海对出的 苏门答腊岛 共同构成 马六甲海峡,此处为<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">东西方海运物流走廊</font></b>,极其重要,若果能让 包含星加坡在内的大马联邦 全数控制的话呢,保证有更佳的商业利益分配。而东边的婆罗洲呢,地广人稀,地质构造比较稳定,无乜地震(淡定 使乜惊 有爪哇岛挡晒D海啸),你话可以爱来做乜?「做人」咯!<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px; "><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/titter.gif" smilieid="9" border="0"></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><img src="http://pic.pbsrc.com/spacer.gif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; color: rgb(83, 83, 83); line-height: 22px; "><img src="http://pic.pbsrc.com/spacer.gif"></span></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><img src="http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn262/quisqualis/DAyak_Girl__s_by_arya_dwipangga.jpg" border="0" alt=""><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">上图为婆罗洲土著Dayak族,好明显系新亚洲黄种人,无乜点同矮黑人(Negrito)混过血。Dayak人几百年来一直是广福侨民的同盟军,与爪哇族为世仇。</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><br></div> <P>使君生上邊講嘅嘢其實好多我之前都有諗過,不過現時印尼同支那一樣,無可否認係一個好有實力嘅國家。星馬同東帝汶唔使講怕晒佢,連一海之隔南邊嘅白人疆土大國(並唔係人口大國),擁有對印尼絕對經濟同技術優勢嘅澳洲都擏佢三分。</P><P> </P>
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<P>目前我大粵嘅最大敵人係支那!並唔係印尼,呢點要絕對絕對搞清楚!喺反支立場上高,我哋大粵係同包括印尼,日本在內嘅一啲曾經冒犯得失過我哋粵族粵民粵僑嘅國家利益一致嘅。</P>
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<P>過分噉強調呢啲國家對我哋曾經嘅冒犯,對我哋嘅反支大業並冇助益,甚至有害。記住!我哋大粵而家嘅最大敵人係支那,支那係一個好龐大嘅國家,想佢散裂極之唔易,喺未達成呢個目標之前,我哋大粵係絕對唔適宜再無端端開罪印尼,日本,印度等域內大國嘅!除非佢哋做出咗對我大粵現實政治利益有深刻危害嘅嘢,譬如話以實際行動支持閩越對潮汕嘅領土要求,支持海南島脫粵獨立之類。</P>
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<P>我哋對支那仇敵係必然嘅,唔係我哋點樣脫支建國?之但係對印尼,日本仇敵就係無謂兼愚蠢喇,我哋喺北邊有個強大嘅仇國經已係必然,冇理由再喺東邊同日本為敵,喺南邊同印尼為敵!三面受敵,噉對我哋大粵有咩好處?盞會畀支那有機會從中分化利用,造成對我極不利嘅周邊安全格局。喺現實政治裡頭,係唔應該以「民族情感」嚟謀劃策略嘅,一切應該以現實政治利益出發。</P>
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<P>對於我哋大粵潛在嘅反支盟邦,喺佢哋最敏感嘅領土問題上高,我哋都應該同呢啲潛在盟邦嘅立場保持一致,諸如承認琉球同南千島係日屬,承認亞齊同西巴布亞係印尼屬,承認阿薩姆阿魯納查爾錫金同克什米爾係印度屬等等,以爭取佢哋對我大粵反支大業嘅支持。</P>
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<P>喺度順帶講下粵日關係,我一直都係噉睇:粵日之間冇咩不共戴天嘅仇恨,喺當前嘅政治形勢之下,甚至乎仲係我哋有深厚助力嘅盟邦。我哋大粵可以以政府官方要求嘅形式正式向日本傳遞一個噉嘅訊息:祗要日本對當年犯粵嘅暴行作出正式道歉並作出恰如其份嘅補償(可以係對粵經援,亦可以係軍備援助),噉粵日間過往嘅仇怨就可以一筆勾銷,以展開正常嘅粵日邦交。</P>
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<P>日韓係東北亞最重要嘅兩股反支力量,滿蒙吳越要想成功翻身,必定要向日韓借力。唔怕大膽話埋,支那衰竭之日,我哋如願裂支之時,東北亞海外嘅日韓勢力必定入滲支土,好可能喺華東同華北扶植幾個佢哋嘅衛星國。</P>
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<P>使君生提議嘅南洋粵僑潮僑客僑統一向婆羅洲集聚嘅諗法,的確係幾好,可以化零為整,其實唔單祇僅限馬印嘅粵僑潮僑客僑,仲應該包埋菲越泰緬幾國嘅。一旦我哋大粵喺婆羅洲建立穩固勢力,噉南沙又點驚會守唔著呢?不過噉,搞呢啲嘢係要建基喺支那經已衰亡,同南洋班友嘅粵民族(潮民族,客民族)意識經已完全覺醒嘅基礎之上嘅,祇有我哋喺北邊嘅安全威脅完全解除之後,我哋先可以冇後顧之憂噉將勢力南伸。</P>
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<P>未來嘅東盟,我哋大粵應該積極參與其中。好早之前我就有提過,獨立之後,我哋大粵一定要諗盡一切辦法「迫入」東盟。成功加入東盟,係除咗入聯之外,我哋對脫支所作出嘅一個最好嘅政治詮釋,因為,噉表明,我哋經已係東南亞國家,而唔再留喺支那有悠久深遠影響嘅東亞區域。</P>
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<P>喺支那經已衰亡嘅後支那時代,東盟喺北邊冇咗支那呢個重壓,不過喺西邊嘅印度必定會對佢施加更大嘅影響,緬甸一定會係佢嘅籠中雀,我哋大粵想再向西謀撣邦同克欽,都要睇實亞叉啲反應。</P>
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<P>至於粵越合併,我係支持嘅,不過一定要係廣州合併河內,而唔係相反,假如越南勢力過盛,噉對我大粵喺東盟勢力嘅南拓顯然係不利嘅,泰國係同樣道理,有機會嘅整散佢哋,越南分成三件,泰國鋸成四份,連埋寮國同高棉,仲有婆羅洲同南沙,假如我哋大粵naap得實,係好正嘅事。</P>
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<P>其實,裂解印尼係佢周邊好多國家日諗夜諗嘅嘢嚟,星馬澳洲東帝汶同巴布亞新幾內亞係最想佢死,當然,支那同印度,菲律賓,仲有我哋,都有噉嘅諗法。星馬同蘇門答臘,亞叉記係圖謀已久,佢視馬六甲海峽係印度洋東邊嘅鎖匙,志在必得,我哋保得著泰南呢小半邊面向印度洋嘅岸線就經已好唔錯。冇咗蘇門答臘同南婆羅洲嘅印尼,實力大減之餘,分分鐘會畀澳洲斬成使君生所講嘅幾碌。</P>
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<P>菲律賓係關島嘅外延,由美國把持返好正路。而臺灣有可能重新納入日本嘅勢力圈,對岸嘅閩越,假如冇臺灣撐,估計唔會維持得好耐,北邊嘅吳越對佢一早就虎視眈眈,或者我哋可以從中分返份。</P>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Marsal_Tito.jpg/437px-Marsal_Tito.jpg" alt="File:Marsal Tito.jpg"></span></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div>粤兄,你对前南斯拉夫领导者 Josip Broz Tito (约瑟普·「老兄」·铁托) 有咩睇法?我颇为欣赏此人。佢借苏维埃大国之力取得南斯拉夫独立,而「南斯拉夫」本身亦是好几个大民族组成的共同体联邦。</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">南斯拉夫独立之后无几耐,铁托即刻同苏维埃划清界线,公开与苏维埃阵营敌对。「<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">不结盟运动</font></b>」正是当时 铁托 与印度总理尼赫鲁共同发起,全世界共有百几个中小国家加入。「不结盟运动」个宗旨就是,既不加入美利坚阵营,亦不加入苏维埃阵营,拒绝参与冷战,<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">独立自主</font></b>发展本国。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">铁托在经济方面颇有建树。前南斯拉夫是共党国家入面,最「走资」,同时亦是最富裕的国家。作为东欧国家,前南斯拉夫 甚至可以达到西欧的 西班牙、意大利 等国的水平。<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4169E1">可以讲,天朝邓大人的「改革开放」,查实正是照版转碗原封不动地抄袭自铁托。</font></b>铁托本人性格属于「<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">开明强人</font></b>」一类,最高权力始终由自己话事,但各地方亦有很大的自主权利。铁托是克罗地亚人,但前南斯拉夫的首都Belgrade,却是在塞尔维亚的中心,足见他本人胸襟是颇为宽广的。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"> 可惜,苏维埃与美利坚始终无法容纳南斯拉夫这一个「另类」,在铁托死后,两大集团分别向南斯拉夫渗入颠覆势力,大肆制造事端挑衅各族矛盾,最终在90年代初,南斯拉夫四分五裂了。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">作为一个小联邦国,南斯拉夫竟然可以在两大阵营的夹缝之中生存几十年,并有了不错的经济发展,实在难得。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div>合纵连横
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div>粤生知唔知点解我想搞散印尼?乜你以为,就算我地唔理印尼,印尼就唔会主动搞我地么?绝对唔会!爪哇族人只会将国境以北的各族视为仇敌!</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">搞散印尼,好处之一:解除南洋各国的军事威胁。要知道,南海资源是很丰富的,而爪哇岛人口却是逼到爆晒棚的,盏分到薄Q晒,<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">少只香炉少只鬼</font></b>。南洋各国都极想印尼拉柴。<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4169E1">何方神圣有本事搞散印尼,南洋各国就听何方支笛。</font></b></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">搞散印尼,好处之二:我广福侨民可得以有啖安乐茶饭食。讲真个句,东南亚广福侨民是真心想融入天朝吗?我看未必。星加坡李氏集团在《联合早报》上大肆刊登「赞颂」天朝官方的文章,都<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">不过是为了方便进驻天朝境内投资而已</font></b>。而实质上,李氏集团另一方面又屡次公开发表反对天朝势力扩张的讲话。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">搞散印尼,好处之三:峇厘岛以东的Melanesia群岛(美拉尼西亚),长期在爪哇族的劣质统治下(爪哇族人本身也是长贫难顾),经济文化极端落后。美拉尼西亚人种本身,也许并不是什么优秀的种族,但若果<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#008080">改由比较优秀的澳洲白人来管治、「教化」他们</font></b>,岂不更好?等我画公仔画出肠啦:美拉尼西亚组成一个群岛联邦,<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">交由南边隔海相望的澳洲「代管」</font></b>,等于白送给澳洲一块大肥肉。很明显澳洲是醒目仔,得了便宜不卖乖,不会再难为我们。<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4169E1">澳洲与天朝之间的经济互补极少</font></b>,肯定是我们最可靠的盟友之一。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">下图是爪哇岛民族分布。峇厘人虽然种族上属于爪哇族,不过<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#008080">峇厘人信奉印度教</font></b>,所以对西边的爪哇族「同胞」无乜好感。另外虽然巽它族人口得爪哇族一半,不过都有成几千万,撩起佢地内斗,绝对好睇过花灯。譬如暗杀巽它族「阿訇」长老,对外宣布是爪哇族做的,两族都大把激进回教徒,保证<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4169E1">巽它族同爪哇族打餐懵,无心机理岛外的反叛斗争。</font></b></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Java_languages.JPG" alt="File:Java languages.JPG"></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">下图是南洋局势:</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Oceanias_Regions.png" alt="File:Oceanias Regions.png"></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">再有,我对倭国极度唔信任,而且十分明确,万万不可问倭国借力。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">倭国食住吴越,我就无乜所谓;不过一旦倭国食住 宝岛(Formosa)、闽越、楚,压住我大越(粤)境,就好Q大剂!</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">近年来,倭国捕鲸产业对国际禁令一概不理,就知倭国对太平洋之野心,是何其巨大。而太平洋正是我大越(粤)后世子民的无尽财富,绝不可让与倭人。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">前排,倭国提出搞「东亚共同体」,而澳洲提出搞「亚太共同体」,就可以知<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4169E1">倭国与澳洲不和,争夺领导权。</font></b>两者择其一,自然而然地应该选择支持澳洲。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">前两年,我大越(粤)境内东江流域爆出开采放射性稀土金属污染导致大量村落全村近八程人患癌的消息,这些稀土金属矿的买家,正是倭国电子制造企业,他们用极低的价格收购我大越(粤)稀土金属资源,污染我大越(粤)生态环境,生产出的商品却用极高价格来返售给我们。就从这点,就知倭人心狠手辣,无良心无责任感,毫无情面可讲。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large; ">对于 倭、韩 的财阀势力,应诱导它们涌去 长江流域 以北地段,严格限制其渗入我大越(粤)珠江流域境内。<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">倭、韩 的企业,已经对长江三角洲造成了可怕的污染。</font></b></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000"><br></font></b></span></div></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">对于 Manchuria(大金)、Mongolia(大辽),本人对其完全不抱结成同盟的指望,而且<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#008080">极度鼓励俄罗斯吞并它们</font></b>。第一,这一带地广人稀,第二,这一带的人民对我们东南亚普遍抱有歧视(劣种?)妒忌(仇富?)心态,第三,佢地离我地实在太远,故此佢地无乜可能帮到我地。第四,俄罗斯势力只要顺利向南推进,<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">支持千岛群岛同「Utali国」(Ainu族)脱倭。</font></b></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">对于韩,我们顺应世界潮流,鼓励南韩接管北韩,统一朝鲜半岛。朝鲜半岛只要实现统一,朝鲜民族凝聚力增强,必将为倭国外扩带来更大阻滞。<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">支持朝鲜收复独岛同对马岛。</font></b></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">下图是东北亚海疆局势:</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Sea_of_Japan_East_Sea_ko.png" alt="File:Sea of Japan East Sea ko.png"></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div>[ 本帖最後由 使君子 於 2010-1-23 22:10 編輯 ] <P>討論呢啲嘢唔係咁平面咁簡單嘅,需要用到立體層構嘅思維,仲要配合埋時間(年代推移)同空間(各勢力嘅盈縮)兩條軸線通盤考量。</P>
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<P>其實呢啲嘢我喺幾年之前就諗過好多,直到家下仲不時思量,唔凈祇係印尼或者日本或者支那,而係我哋大粵周邊嘅形勢格局會點變,每種變法我哋又會受咩影響,點樣去應對同把扼。</P>
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<P>我哋大粵嘅核心利益,海外粵僑認同嘅回歸,我哋大粵嘅國家定位,盟友嘅選擇同結盟。等等呢啲都要用立體層構思維,配合時空兩條軸線考量。</P>
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<P>喺<FONT color=blue>乜嘢時候</FONT>我哋嘅實力去到<FONT color=blue>咩嘅程度</FONT>而選取一啲<FONT color=blue>適時同量力</FONT>嘅舉措,以保證我哋大粵嘅<FONT color=blue>續傳同發展</FONT>,係需要好深入嘅思考嘅。</P>
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与 伊斯兰世界、印度、Ainu国、琉球国 之关系
<br><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; "><h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading" style="color: black; background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.1em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0.5em; padding-bottom: 0px; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(170, 170, 170); font-size: 24px; line-height: 1.2em; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Utali Association</h1><div id="bodyContent" style="position: relative; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></font><div id="contentSub" style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.2em; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1.4em; margin-left: 1em; color: rgb(125, 125, 125); width: auto; "></div><p style="margin-top: 0.4em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; line-height: 1.5em; ">The <b>Utali Association</b> <span style="font-weight: normal; ">(<span class="t_nihongo_kanji" lang="ja" xml:lang="ja">ウタリ協会</span> <i>Utari Kyoukai</i>)</span> is an umbrella group of which most <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainu_people" title="Ainu people" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 43, 184); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Ainu</a> and some other Ainu are members. Originally controlled by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Japan" title="Politics of Japan" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 43, 184); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">government</a> with the intention of speeding Ainu assimilation and integration into the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan" title="Japan" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 43, 184); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Japanese</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state" title="Nation state" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 43, 184); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">nation state</a>, it <b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">now operates independently of the government and is run exclusively by Ainu.</font></b></p><p style="margin-top: 0.4em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; line-height: 1.5em; "><br></p><p style="margin-top: 0.4em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; line-height: 1.5em; ">It was established in 1930 under the name <b>Hokkaido Ainu Association</b> <span style="font-weight: normal; ">(<span class="t_nihongo_kanji" lang="ja" xml:lang="ja">北海道アイヌ協会</span> <i>Hoqkaidou Ainu Kyoukai</i>)</span>. Since 1961 <i>Utali</i> has been used instead of "Ainu". The group has been influential in raising public awareness of Ainu issues.From 1964 to 1996, its executive director was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giichi_Nomura" title="Giichi Nomura" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(90, 54, 150); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Giichi Nomura</a>.</p></div></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><b><i>口头上</i></b>支持Ainu国同琉球国脱倭,<b><i>口头上</i></b>支持Ainu同琉球文字拉丁化。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">现时Ainu同琉球文字采用倭文「片假名」(<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4169E1">倭人用「片假名」来拼写外语发音</font></b>)拼写,很多音都拼不准。查阅近代欧洲人用拉丁拼音记录的倭语发音,近代标准倭语肯定是有f-音的,但是现在的标准倭语不知何故没有了f-音。而现在琉球语同Ainu语都有f-音。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">倭文将琉球国首都Nafa(首里)拼成「Naha」(「那霸」),这是一例。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">Ainu语有独立的入声韵尾(如Kalat),而倭语只能够在后面跟住ptks的音节才能发出「促音」(紧喉入声),譬如表「稍等的」tyo<b>q</b>to,表「继续」的mo<b>q</b>to,表「当然」的ya<b>q</b>pari。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><b><i>口头上</i></b>支持的意思,就是不采取实际支持行动(浪费我国财力),而是在我越(粤)根基站稳之后,伺机发言挑衅倭国。并且始终与 Ainu、琉球 的独立组织保持暗中来往,关键时候可适当予以支持。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">如果<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4169E1">Ainu最终倾向俄罗斯</font></b>,俄军将大舰炮口瞄准倭岛北部的青森县,保证倭人「苦过弟弟」。<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "><img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/biggrin.gif" smilieid="3" border="0"></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "><br></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; ">这样做个目的,是可以将倭军的应对精力吸引去北太平洋,就不会对南太平洋产生威胁。</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">在地理分布同经济上,倭国既非我越(粤)邻近,亦非对我越(粤)注入重大投资,反而我越(粤)是其最大客仔,丰田车在亚洲的销量有成三分一是卖去珠三角的。(近两年 丰田车不断爆出质量丑闻 足以证明倭商奸猾不可信)正确来讲,应该是<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#556B2F">倭国惊我地,我地恶过佢地。</font></b>所以我坚决支持<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4169E1">琉球与闽越倾向台湾、美利坚加大对台军售、维持美利坚在琉球的军事基地</font></b>。只要琉球与闽越倾向台湾,<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4169E1">形成一条东海防御链</font></b>,倭军的舰队就不敢开过南海,掠夺我越(粤)的资源。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">对于uighur,我的意见是支持它与中亚各国合组一个east-turk联邦,让伊斯兰世界凝聚力量,保证对东部的天朝有足够的压制力量。只要讨好了中东大陆的穆斯林,海岛的穆斯林根本不足为惧。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">但是另一方面,由于拆散印尼各邦需要为各岛住民提供火力支援,那就理所当然组织动员广福侨民与 印度(以及印度教土著信徒)、白人 商人合伙,<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">向印度、澳洲购置各种武器和雇佣兵</font></b>,在马拉半岛东部、澳洲北部建立好根据地,不断向印尼治下的各岛屿渗透,<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4169E1">只狙杀长官而不欺平民</font></b>。通过这一层利益交往,又可以拉近广福侨民与印度澳洲的关系。</span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>[ 本帖最後由 使君子 於 2010-2-2 17:35 編輯 ] <P><FONT color=blue><STRONG>現時同往後,唔同時段大粵所面對嘅態勢,核心利益,策略舉措,外事應對簡析</STRONG></FONT></P>
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<P>時段:現時</P>
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<P>大粵態勢:支那繼續高壓殖粵,大粵仍未脫支獨立。</P>
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<P>呢個階段大粵嘅核心利益:全力脫支,以確保我哋大粵喺語言,民族,文化,文明,經濟命脈等諸方面得以續傳。</P>
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<P>策略舉措:利用一切可以助我脫支嘅力量,包括美歐,臺灣,香港右翼,澳紐,越南反支派,日本,印度,圖博東土滿洲,印尼菲律賓,甚至俄羅斯嘅反支派嘅助力,喺政治同軍事層面全力脫支。</P>
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<P>呢個階段大粵嘅外事應對:對所有潛在嘅反支盟邦,喺佢哋最敏感嘅國家核心利益上高(譬如領土問題),我哋大粵都唔應該做出一啲同呢啲潛在盟邦立場相左嘅嘢,除非佢哋做出咗對我大粵現實政治利益有深刻危害嘅嘢,譬如話以實際行動支持閩越對潮汕嘅領土要求,支持海南島脫粵獨立之類。</P>
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<P>時段:大粵獨立初期</P>
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<P>大粵態勢:支那嘅裂分極大可能會呈現前蘇聯形式,而唔係奧匈或者前南斯拉夫樣式。支那祇會喪失邊疆嘅領土,滿洲吳越未必可以同粵港澳臺閩東土圖博南蒙一齊成功同時間獨立,而大圖博嘅夢想可能凈係實現得三分之一(凈得西藏),支那類似於今日嘅俄羅斯,依然係一個實力強勁嘅適國,兼且會喺軍事政治經濟嘅層面保持對我大粵嘅高度壓迫。</P>
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<P>呢個階段大粵嘅核心利益:全力鞏固政治同軍事嘅獨立,喺文化同經濟層面繼續全力脫支,以盡速完成我哋大粵脫支獨立嘅所有全部進程。</P>
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<P>策略舉措:喺軍事上高,粵北要屯重兵警戒支那南犯,粵中構建大縱深防禦體系。繼續利用一切可以助我脫支嘅力量,但喺取向上高要側重處理,最重美國,次重臺越。</P>
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<P>呢個階段大粵嘅外事應對:鑑於支那實力依然強勁,所以,依然好有必要維護好對所有反支盟邦嘅友好關係,喺佢哋最敏感嘅國家核心利益上高,我哋大粵嘅立場依然要同佢哋保持一致。不過相信其他脫支列國,喺借力上高亦會有所側重:港澳重粵美英,臺閩重美日,東土重美土中亞列國,圖博重印美,南蒙重日俄北蒙,滿洲重日韓,吳越重日美韓,美日印俄韓勢力開始喺邊緣入滲東亞大陸。美國勢力趨勢係自東南向西北,日韓係自東向西,俄國係自西北向南,印度係自西南向東。對同我哋大粵勢力往後拓張方向相衝突嘅反支盟邦(主要係越印日三國),我哋同佢哋喺軍政合作等層面,應予有所保留。</P>
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<P>今日先噏著噉多先。</P>
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师出必有名
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div>9楼有更新。</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">粤生,请相信我,只要广福侨民有本事带头领导南洋各族搞散印尼,南洋各族必然惟我们马首是瞻,承认我地大哥大地位。始终要做点大事出来「<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">响朵</font></b>」「<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400"><b>立威</b></font>」,咪时无人服我地,我地只会继续孤立无援落去。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">只要我地族人在南洋「<b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">企定阵脚</font></b>」,「面部会有爱情亦会有」,建立强大宣传阵势,积蓄力量,与南洋各族土著以及周边各大国建立牢固「友谊」(利益)关系,等待时机,有朝一日「北夺故土」不会是无期难事。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div>[ 本帖最後由 使君子 於 2010-2-2 13:35 編輯 ] <P> </P>
<P>老實講句,現時就講點樣去搞散日本,點樣去搞散印尼,係唔適時嘅。呢啲嘢對我大粵嚟講其實好遙遠下。因為,形勢根本就未去到嗰種程度,嗰個階段。搞清楚,現時我哋大粵所面對嘅態勢係:支那喺度繼續高壓殖粵,大粵仍未脫支獨立。喺呢個階段,我哋大粵嘅核心要務係全力脫支,亦即係諗點樣去搞散支那。</P>
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<P><BR>點樣去搞散日本,反而係現時支那諗緊嘅嘢嚟,而點樣去搞散印尼,就係澳洲而家日度夜度嘅,呢啲至係現勢同適時嘅。我哋大粵係唔可以脫離現實政治態勢去運籌嘅,因為,噉極之可能會畀我哋大粵嘅核心利益帶嚟重創。</P>
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<P><BR>現時東南亞嗰啲「華人華僑」,講真,撈化得都差唔多喇。點解會噉?其實除咗支那「教化」呢個顯性因素之外,有一樣好緊要但係又好隱性嘅嘢,喺度有意無意間引導咗呢個趨勢,呢樣嘢就係族屬!喺南洋「華人」裡頭,查實祇有約莫三成係我哋粵族人,其餘七成係潮族同客族。潮客兩族至係南洋「華人」嘅主體,兼且,呢個主體素嚟同我南洋粵人粵僑唔和,兼支奴情結深重。我記得,以前喺粵協曾經好活躍嘅一個越南粵僑壇友唔祇一次噉講過,越南排華嗰陣,啲潮州唥居然帶著啲越南兵去僑越粵族人屋企抄家!有一班懷著深重支奴情意結嘅南洋主流「華人」喺度,就唔難理解點解嗰啲東南亞「華人華僑」會撈得咁快喇。</P>
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<P><BR>假如畀潮客兩族喺印尼某噠埞方成功立國,睇怕畀我大粵帶嚟嘅並唔係咩飛士,而係禍患!我哋大粵祇會畀呢啲所謂嘅撈化咗嘅ngaijaa「僑民」累到周身蟻!因為,我哋大粵點講都係呢啲艾唥嘅ngaijaa「祖國」,啲艾唥喺印尼搞得到,難保佢哋唔會喺鄰近嘅其他地方,譬如泰國,大馬,有樣學樣,到嗰陣,妳估啲南洋列國會點諗?佢哋必定會認為我哋喺佢哋嘅地頭擴張勢力,佢哋往後對我大粵恐怕唔會係馬首是瞻,而係深刻嘅猜忌!呢種猜忌,盞會將我哋大粵逼入東盟嘅努力化於無形!而進入東盟,係我大粵其中一個最重要嘅核心利益所在!北已經有支那嘅重壓,仲要遭受嚟自南邊東南亞列國嘅猜忌,噉對我大粵有咩好處?</P>
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<P><BR>喺我大粵裡頭,潮客向有離心,支那必定會從中教路,務求潮客脫粵,假如某一日,喺南洋邊忽地方突然間飆咗個潮族共和國或者客族共和國出嚟,有個版喺度,示範效應明顯,噉咪盞畀大粵嘅潮客有更強嘅脫粵傾向!仲有,邊個敢擔保呢啲潮族共和國,客族共和國唔會撐祖居之地嘅同族脫粵?喺庫爾德獨立問題上高,點解唔淨祇伊拉克反對,就連土耳其,伊朗,敘利亞都異口同聲反對,就係怕一個伊拉克庫爾德國出嚟,會有示範效應,影響其他三國對佢哋庫爾德區域嘅管治。</P>
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<P><BR>大粵獨立之後,就咪指望啲南洋潮客會認我哋,我哋大粵真正要關心嘅,係我南洋粵人粵僑(亦即係廣府系「華僑」)嘅認受歸宗。講真,南洋潮客族群財雄勢大,難保佢哋唔會以金錢助祖居嘅同族脫粵,呢樣嘢對我大粵管治粵東明顯係一個威脅,出於對我大粵現實政治利益考量,印尼排南洋潮客,對我大粵嚟講,並唔係咩壞事,關鍵嘅,係要我南洋粵人粵僑同啲潮客分割開嚟。</P>
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<P> </P> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div>粤生何出此言?讲真我对diejiunang无乜信心,不过对艾人仲有好大希望。同艾人朋友一齐的时候,我都会专登讲几句艾话,佢地亦赏面过我,唱K时拣了几首陈奕迅的CantonPop,咬字仲好正添。</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">艾人个立场其实好摇摆。现时好多中青年艾人,通过各种信息渠道,得知自己基因祖源,已经开始有醒悟的趋势。唔同得diejiunang,艾人性格比较善良老实,有次我在恐龙网表示「广人同艾人僚人都是好兄弟姊妹」,好多艾人都回帖支持我。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">只要我地广人得到艾人个支持,在南洋我地至少就有了六程几的崛起希望。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">其实我是好希望将大粤版图扩到 闽西赣南 的,我都好想帮助艾人同胞大团圆,唔想佢地继续被「省界」分割。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div> <P><BR>雖然我贊同潮客兩族同我粵族一樣,都係平等嘅大粵公民,亦都贊同潮語客語同粵語一樣,齊齊係我大粵嘅國語。不過噉並唔代表就可以將潮客兩族對我大粵有離心呢個態勢視而不見,再加上支那必定會從中搞屎棍,唆擺潮客脫粵,所以,基於對我大粵現實政治利益考量,對喺大粵本土嘅潮客,係唔能夠盡信,大凡係對潮客實力同影響有大幅增益嘅嘢(諸如大客家,大閩越,大潮汕,南洋潮客獨立建國之類),我哋大粵都應該一概迴避同阻隔。</P>
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[ 本帖最後由 粵嚟粵掂 於 2010-2-2 22:48 編輯 ] <P>喺現時支那嘅架構裡頭,粵獨並唔係孤立嘅,我哋內有圖博東土滿洲南蒙香港吳越遙相呼應,外有臺灣美歐日本印度澳洲乃至越南嘅聲援,又點會係孤立無援?我哋粵獨事業係要靠大粵本土上高嘅世居粵人嚟完成,指望南洋嗰啲潮客(至多祇係粵籍人,而唔係我粵族人)嚟關照帶hit我哋本土世居粵人搞粵獨係好無稽嘅。講句唔好聽,我哋粵獨嗰時,佢哋唔好企喺支那嗰邊鬧我哋「反骨」,我哋都經已哦哩吉蒂喇。再講,我哋粵人可以公然企出嚟揸正旗號同支那呢個冚世界嘅現代文明公敵對抗,就呢一點,就足以足以令全世界嘅輿論,民眾同政府對我哋致以崇高嘅敬意!妳睇十四世Daat Laai同圖博嘅獨運,熱比婭同東土嘅獨運,佢哋喺國際上高享有幾高嘅聲望同榮譽!試問,我哋大粵又點可以喺辛苦脫支之後就急著向東南亞列國「施威」呢?噉對我哋介時經已好虛耗嘅國力嘅回復同辛苦爭取返嚟嘅國際美譽都會係一個極大嘅威脅。</P>
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<P><BR>當今國際政治關係嘅現實就係:除非妳實力超班,諸如美國,即使橫行霸道國際輿論都唔會太多噉話。但係若然妳祇係二等角色,妳又喺妳嘅周邊有過多露骨嘅搞作,噉妳好快就會變成區域內嘅公敵,美國亦會開始留心妳(雖然未必係壞事),假如妳有得咁大,根基都幾實淨,當然唔怕域內列國嘅猜忌(諸如支那同日本喺東亞,印度喺南亞,印尼喺東南亞,俄羅斯喺東歐,以色列喺中東),但係,我哋脫支獨立之初嘅大粵,國力虛耗,有冇足夠嘅能耐去迎接呢種挑戰?仲有,呢種唔會係單一嚟自東南亞域內嘅挑戰,北邊嘅支那亦都會同時間對我大粵施以重壓,到時,我哋大粵就要被逼面對極其惡劣嘅周邊形勢!</P>
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<P><BR>祗要支那一日未徹底瓦解,我哋大粵都唔可以喺支那原領土嘅範疇之外(確切啲講,亦即係東南亞),有過多過份嘅動作,南北雙線腹背受敵,我哋大粵將會陷於萬劫不復!唔好唔記得,當年日德就係敗喺東西受敵夾擊之下!當然,美俄亦都可以算係東西受敵,因為地球係圓嘅,之不過人哋嘅地頭夠大,我哋大粵計埋雲貴,都祇係同日德相若嘅中型領土國家,不可同日而語。</P>
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<P><BR>至於「北奪故土」,對我大粵嚟講,根本唔成立,因為,嶺北嘅山地丘陵,就係我哋大粵嘅北界。就算要北伐支那,亦都要打正我大粵民國嘅旗號,以協同幫助楚贛鄂湘武陵等國脫支獨立為名而出師,喺兩湖揚子江中遊一帶扶植幾個親粵嘅衛星國,以屏護我大粵北疆。呢啲地方唔同雲貴,根本冇需要同必要歸併入我粵本土。至於川蜀,就留返畀圖博慢慢享受喇。</P>
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与 艾人、郎人 之关系
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">粤兄看来你还是未能catch到我思路。我的意思是,只要能够帮助被「省界」分裂的三支艾人(闽西艾、南楚艾、粤东艾)团圆,以及在商业上与艾人展开更多互惠合作,艾人是愿意企埋我地支同盟军的,明解呒?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">另外我认为,「粤」是一个血统概念远远大于一个文化概念,我们是广族,是 大粤族群 里面的一支。「粤人」——我们是百粤原著民族的血亲后裔,「粤语」——我们语言(广话)中的原著民族底层成分。艾族自然亦是 大粤族群 里面的一支,僚族、侗族、傣族、寮族、京族、芒族、孟族 亦然。<b><u>虽然我们各族之间的经济文化发展水平差距很大,但我们都应该尽力去拉近去弥补。</u></b></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><b><u><br></u></b></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">上次看到一份介绍僚族传统医学的论文,原来僚人早在秦军入侵之前,便掌握了 陶针(浅刺穴位放血 急救用)、角疗(在水牛角的中空内笼里塞进烧着的茅草 然后迅速吸在病人身上 其实就是相当于「拔火罐」)、麻醉(运用岭南本地的致幻性草药 也作巫术用)、骨刮(用牛骨刮皮肤 其实就是相当于「刮痧」) 等神奇的疗法,也懂得用草药熬制汤汁来解除身体里的「妖毒」(其实就是我们所讲的「凉茶」)。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">现代僚医,又发展出了 药线引燃点穴法、「神火疗法」(在病灶上贴块纸 再将烧着的药物点击在病灶上),与 针灸 不同的是,僚医的点穴法无需刺入人体内(造成患者的惊恐与痛楚),但疗效与 针灸 是一样的。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">我主张广人同艾人联合,将 <b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#006400">虔州、汀州、嘉应州 三州整合为一体</font></b> 成为我大粤联邦之东北界,<b><i><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4169E1">冷落郎人</font></i></b>。到时给郎人他们搞个「自治域」,任得他们制假走私自生自灭,不收他们税,派去驻守他们的军队,只接受我们的物资供应,而无需当地供应(呵呵你唔惊食死人?<img src="http://bbs.cantonese.asia/images/smilies/default/titter.gif" smilieid="9" border="0">)。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div>天朝学术界一直未有发表探讨 广人、艾人 Y染色体来源的专门长篇论文,而在文化界一直大唱特唱「珠玑巷」,肯定在刻意隐瞒着什么。其实稍微有生活经验就知,广人同艾人长相最似,郎人长相偏北,郎族男人「<i><b>蒙猪眼</b></i>」、郎族女人「<b><i>饼面</i></b>」比例要显著高于广人艾人。</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">下面这篇是新鲜滚热辣出炉的人类学报告,郎人血统与百粤族群血统,尤其是百粤父系血统,距离显然比较远:</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); 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line-height: normal; cursor: pointer; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(255, 0, 0); white-space: nowrap; ">鉴定</span>中心<span href="tag.php?name=DNA" onclick="tagshow(event)" class="t_tag" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; cursor: pointer; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(255, 0, 0); white-space: nowrap; ">DNA</span>物证研究室,汕头 515031。<span style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; float: left; "><img src="http://comonca.org.cn/Img/04-002.jpg" onload="thumbImg(this)" alt="" width="300" height="300" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "></span></font></font></font><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><font style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; font-size: 20px; "><font size="3" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><font size="2" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "></font></font></font><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><font style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; font-size: 20px; "><font size="3" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><font size="2" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><font face="黑体 " style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">摘要:</span></font><font face="宋体 " style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><span href="tag.php?name=Y%C8%BE%C9%AB%CC%E5" onclick="tagshow(event)" class="t_tag" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; cursor: pointer; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(255, 0, 0); white-space: nowrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Y染色体</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">短串联重复序列(Y-STR)位点现已普遍用于追溯人类群体遗传</span><span href="tag.php?name=%C6%F0%D4%B4" onclick="tagshow(event)" class="t_tag" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; cursor: pointer; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(255, 0, 0); white-space: nowrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">起源</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">的研究。本课题组前期通过分析常染色体STR</span><span href="tag.php?name=%CA%FD%BE%DD" onclick="tagshow(event)" class="t_tag" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; cursor: pointer; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(255, 0, 0); white-space: nowrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">数据</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">证明了居于粤东的潮汕汉族是中原汉族和粤东土著居民融合而成的混合人群。为了进一步研究潮汕汉族的父系遗传结构及与其他</span><span href="tag.php?name=%D6%D0%B9%FA%C8%CB" onclick="tagshow(event)" class="t_tag" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; cursor: pointer; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(255, 0, 0); white-space: nowrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">人</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">群的遗传</span><span href="tag.php?name=%B9%D8%CF%B5" onclick="tagshow(event)" class="t_tag" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; cursor: pointer; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-color: rgb(255, 0, 0); white-space: nowrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">关系</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">,我们共搜集了含有6个Y-STR位点数据的51个人群6292例个体,其中包括课题组前期研究的潮汕和闽南汉族人群,及来自其他研究的南北汉族、藏缅语族群、阿尔泰语族群、苗瑶语族群、孟高棉语族群、侗傣语族群。融合分析结果显示,</span><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#8B0000"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">潮汕汉族中85%以上的父系遗传成分源于中原汉族</span></font></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">(MRH: 0.86; MBE: 1.19±0.21), 再次证明了潮汕汉族的中原起源,并进一步提示,中原汉族男性是潮汕汉族父系遗传成分的主要贡献者;主成分分析和聚类分析结果显示,潮汕汉族大体上与闽南汉族人群类聚。</span></font><br style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br></font></font></font></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 22px; "><font style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; font-size: 20px; "><font size="3" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><font size="2" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><br></font></font></font></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 22px; "><font style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; font-size: 20px; "><font size="3" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><font size="2" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; ">关键词<strong style="word-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; font-style: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: bold; ">:</strong>中原汉族;潮汕汉族;父系遗传关系;粤东土著;Y染色体短串联重复序列 </font></font></font></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; border-collapse: collapse; line-height: 22px; "><font style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; font-size: 20px; "><font size="3" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><font size="2" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><font size="4" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><font size="2" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-height: normal; "><strong style="word-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; font-style: normal; line-height: normal; font-weight: bold; "><br></strong></font></font></font></font></font></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); 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